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[Fludilka] Juvenile lobby in Russia: total control threatens families

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по убыванию Posted 5.12.2014 14:25:56 | descending
I send to this topic in the "fludilku". In fact, I put the theme just for your reference. The site is not much mothers who gave birth in Russia and living (or living) in Russia, so it is only natural that many of you were not interested in the topic. That's Italy - it is near here, we are here with the kids and experience an LIABILITY. At the hearing we have articles from the Russian media on the situation abroad.
Let's take a look at Russia and see what topic excites Russian parents in the moment.
So today's article IA "REGNUM" (source link at the bottom of the article)


In 2015, it enters into force the Law №442-FZ "On social services" which contains in itself the articles concerning children. Meanwhile, the Russian Institute of implementing foster families, is an acute problem that government programs to help children actively attended by representatives of non-traditional religious movements. Among other things, this was discussed on December 1 the working meeting of the Commissioner for Children's Rights under the President of the Russian Federation Pavel Astakhov with activists organization "All-Russian Parental resistance" (PBC) and representatives of several other human rights communities. The outcome of the meeting in an interview to a REGNUM commented on the chairman of the PBC Mary Mamikonyan.
REGNUM: The Maria Rachievna what, according to the PBC experts, are the main threat to the parents-in-law "On the basis of social services in the Russian Federation» (№442-FZ)?
The main threat is that the articles of the law on children, somewhat different from the others, and even radically different. The law was written, based on the declarative principle, according to which any person in need of social assistance in social as they now say, service, referring to the social protection authorities, will choose from a list provided by the service he needs. But some organizations will provide these services. That is the person says that he needs some support, choose what kind and from any "firm", so to speak. For the right to have a "social services to the population" will be held tenders for the provision of most services. A normal market comes within the scope, which is in fact the market is not very tolerant. We have always been the responsibility of the state. Now the government sends the money middleman - NGO. Already, in our opinion, it is wrong (and that help needy fellow citizens becomes a "service"), but ... it's a common question, almost philosophical, now talking about something else.
The fact that the "baby" of the articles of the law by the radically different approach to service delivery. In an article on the children, the principle of a mist rather than declarative. That is, will be identified and does not need whether family services - whether it is necessary to impose "social support" psychologists to what some direct, watch her way of life and methods of parenting - what if they disagree with the ideas clerk of care?
If you remember, in 2012-2013 the movement "Matter of Time" (it is the founder of the PBC) has collected a huge number of signatures for the abolition of the so-called juvenile laws. Together with the other parent organizations and in collaboration with the traditional religions have been protests, public debate ensued, as a result of juvenile laws were removed from consideration by the State Duma. So, those were the laws of the State Duma Committee on Family, Women and Children, and now the "patronage" conducted by the State Duma Committee on Labor, Social Policy and Veterans' Affairs, but the principle remains the same - a mist. And according to him, you can enter your home. From the best of intentions, of course! Family asks nothing, she did not need psychological or any other assistance, she said that she handles herself. However, guardianship and other entities engaged in children, organizing some interagency cooperation, through which identify those families who, in their opinion, are in need of assistance and prizora.
For example, the father of the family is not working, and the child loses exotic fruits, or father and mother quarrel, and it happens in a family, when people have objective problems in life ... And then the neighbors heard you swear, - it is necessary to check, not bad Does your child live. If it turns out that the child live poorly, and it is enough to appeal from the malevolent neighbor or impressions nurse who came to give injections, or profiles, for which a child asked to answer in the school, although not entitled to do so without the consent of their parents ... then you know Do as they say, who does not hide, I'm not guilty.
So, if a group of people who think somehow themselves experts in families decide that you need help to take control of what you need to regularly come and go into your life, and then to say that the child is better you pick up, then he would be sent to a rehabilitation center. At the time, as long as you do not improve anything. Or permanently - in a foster family. This is already being tested in "pilot" regions. All very vague, in violation of existing laws, for whatever instructions the "sign of trouble", all interpreted broadly - the same term "violence" - but, as in the West, where there is no definition (not to speak of humanity) in the approach no, but there is a legal right that's these structures intervene in the privacy of the family. It is a mist principle in action.
REGNUM: The Why representatives of parent organizations believe that after №442-FZ entered into force, comes the flowering of "Scandinavian" juvenile technologies in Russia?
Because this approach to foster virtually total control over all the families - that is what they are doing in the Nordic countries, what we did not want to get at. We do not understand why we should have something against which Astakhov fight when hurt our families, for example, in Norway. In the whole country, while watching the horror on TV, he says, what a nightmare, really this is fascism ?! Yes, this is fascism, and do not think that he will be somewhere in Norway. After all, if "Norway" comes to you - and to the new law juvenile technologies obviously justified in this country - that from this will not be saved, it means that we are moving to those inhuman norms of existence, which is absolutely alien to us.
REGNUM: The Could you tell us about amendments to the law "On the basis of social services in the Russian Federation", which offers the PBC?
Member of the Public Chamber, an expert of our organization Lyudmila Vinogradova, a beautiful lawyer, has developed a bill that introduces significant amendments to the adopted law №442-FZ. These amendments relate to the articles that are moving juvenile approaches. If these amendments are taken, then such a law to live. It is, of course, is not brilliant: we believe, I have said that in general the market should not regulate the sphere of social assistance.
REGNUM: The PBC activists for years have been working with the regional public chambers, agitating for the amendment. Why did this not happen?
What it does not happen? The federal law was adopted on 30 December 2013 at the same time signed by the president, but to enter into force it must be from 2015. The year was given to the discussion on the adoption of regional laws, to ensure that the regions have made some steps in this area. And since it was transferred to the regions, PBC activists began to hold a regional OP round tables to discuss the Law. It turned out that people just do not grasp the meaning of the text, and all that is behind the concepts of "declarative", "a mist", "social support" for these words are not filled with a living sense. And you have to fix the attention, to explain that what you saw yesterday on TV about Norway, when due to fallen baby tooth baby taken away from mom, it just does the same thing that threatens us in accordance with Articles 22 and 29 of the FZ- 442. Otherwise everything will remain for them empty formulations - as long as all this nonsense does not become a reality.
Somewhere we have just heard, and the regional Chamber sent letters to the Public Chamber to support these proposals. Somewhere proposals were accepted in part. In fact, it is a normal process of thinking and conjecturing and discuss what has been done is actually quietly under pressure from lobbyists juvenile. So to say that it did no good, I can not. Of course, it is given, and we hope that in the time remaining until the end of the year, although it scared little voice perturbed regions and parent community will be heard. That is, or will be introduced amendments Vinogradova, or the law "On social service" suspend and reconsider some other way.
There may be different solutions, it depends on the government, which, hopefully, will appreciate that, earning, juvenile in its essence articles of the new law will quickly lead to very serious social consequences.
REGNUM: What do the removal of the child from the family after the new law comes into force will take place? Home to all the parents can come workers of guardianship authorities with the audit and they are required to open the door? Now for such a "search" should be a judicial decision. Of course, if parents are savvy and do not open the door without the relevant document ... And what will happen after 1 January? No judgment on this is now not necessary. This is just one of the major shortcomings of our legislation. On the one hand, there is the principle of "inviolability of private dwelling" and people can not imagine anyone to start. On the other - these events are under the pretext of checking how contained children ( "guilty" parents obviously assumed). So people, in order to avoid such accusations, let the house sotssluzhb workers, where those using the vaguely worded provisions of the danger to the child, children are removed. The very "juvenile stuff," which, they say, the child is in danger, in difficult situations, etc. The ability to pick up the kids, not having any resolutions in this regard, and without incurring penalties in the case of exceeding the need in the least, for someone very seductive.
We expect that such cases involved. Do not think that just since January 1, the shaft will remove children from their families. As long as it is "the guts", they are not overgrown with the necessary staff and facilities for mass visits to our homes, we have not yet entered into the taste, not tried, as far as it can pass with impunity. All gradually, so that the people (if not happen to their family) will be brushed aside, saying: "Oh, it's from some marginal", and then it turns out that it's too late. Therefore such laws must be stopped prior to their introduction, and not fight with the consequences later.
REGNUM: The What categories of families "at risk" of the new law? I'm not talking about the explicit marginal, but about ordinary people. Families with low incomes, lack of living space?

The risk will be low-income families, single mothers who needed help, and they went to ask her family with the disabled, all those who are in need of social support. They come asking, they put on record, and then come and "control" because it is written in the instructions that if you provide a service, you have to check everything. It must be psychological control, and a control and control-so, and, of course, control of the children. Anyone who would like to have one or the other state support, are the most important risk group. Well, and after that all the other little by little. For example, if we have all the same there is an expansive concept of "cruelty" - it wants to enter the western vellum - that under the concept of cruelty and fall fallen milk teeth, and innocent spanking the child on the ass, and the prohibition of the teenager to go to disco with drugs. That is, all those things which are commonly portrayed in our traditional society.
You will find yourself in the "at risk" if your child suddenly raskapriznichalsya and that neighbors heard through the wall - you could be accused of ill-treatment. Why tell this neighbor? Well, out of spite, because you park your car in its place. There is always a lot of household nuances that are very easy to use. And then after a children's staff is being accelerated learning new approaches, they just have to - we know that in Moscow - to collect information about children and their families to report. Is given to the installation of attention to the fact that for the family, what are the conditions - this applies to all children, it is not necessary to think that the question of marginal cases. In Moscow last year training were those most notorious Finns.
REGNUM: Is the meeting with Pavel Astakhov talked a lot about the development of the institute foster families in Russia. But instead of passing into professional families of children from children's homes, their far-fetched pretexts are removed from their families. Is this true and what is this strange trend?
This is a global trend. Alarming fact that Russia is now campaigning went here this type. Home Children, of course, take more pleasant than the orphanage. They are well-groomed, do not have such health problems as children, trapped in an orphanage from a very dysfunctional family.
In my practice, we often encounter such cases, in particular, here in Moscow, in 2013 there were two outrageous stories when children are taken out of the house as if it were "neglected". And do not even hesitate to say, "Well, these children are good, take them immediately." We repelled the children. I recently learned that the family is not removed from the register nor in the one nor in the other "care", although in the family nothing bad happens, it's all right. But custody does not want to terminate the control. Marking is now interested, and will be even more interested in the number of "wards" - the market after all. So, once is enough to get into the account. What is called "claw stuck - the bird is an abyss."
In our minds, when it comes to combined, for example, from the orphanage children, the circuit works adoption. We are accustomed to understand as - well done, adopted a child, he is now like a native. Other business - "professional" foster families, where children take a salary, and the responsibility rests with the formal care. It called into question the emergence of child-parent attachment, simply - love. Moreover, in the West, where it was coined by Foster, there is a theory that attachment in such a family, it is very harmful, so children should be transferred from the family to the family. Often, by the time that the child passes through the age of 7-8 families. Who grows out of these children?
Experts say that in northern Europe, where such practice is a long time, has grown up a generation of people with a specific mentality, formed outside the normal family and at the same time out of the team, who have orphans. And then something else. In general, the impression that all this merrymaking around the family, or rather its destruction, deliberately cultivated an entirely new type of man and of humanity, quite hard, indifferent, bezemotsionalny. By the way, if you ask a biography of the famous mass murderer Anders Breivik, it turns out that he is just a victim of the system. In fact Institute Foster family thing is not entirely harmless.
REGNUM: Is it true that to be a professional foster family is now easier than adopter, and these are, for example, representatives from the sects and similar organizations? What's happening?
Yes, it's easier. Moreover, we are already confronted with the fact that people who want to adopt a child, they say, "no, do not, take into custody." Take into custody, they say, will receive the money, why would you want to adopt? That is putting additional barriers to people who want to make a child's mother. And the sect, yes, very active in this case. For example, the head of "Russian without orphans" Alliance sectarian neo-Pentecostals I. Iklyushin claims that 80% of children from orphanages to disband today is in their system.
REGNUM: Is there any law or any amendment to the existing documents you need to take to get rid of the possibility of occurrence of juvenile justice, say collectively, "Scandinavian model", but at the same time protect the children?
There should be a law that allows for the absolute power of guardianship. There should be a so-called inter-agency cooperation, in which even the most insignificant occasion in the family suddenly invades the whole team - from the police to the care workers - which very quickly removes the child from the parents do not understand. Togo legislation that we have, in fact, be sufficient if you follow him. A "special rights of children" and a horde of "experts", their blyuduschih for large grants, will make life unbearable families, impossible to raise children. Vinogradova On amendments to the "On social service" law I mentioned above.

REGNUM: The Maria Rachievna, what would you wish our readers?
Я бы пожелала не относиться легкомысленно к нововведениям, которые вводятся сейчас в сфере семьи и помощи семье. Не быть слишком доверчивыми на посулы, что всё будет «хорошо, как на Западе». Нам надо не дать состояться тому, что уже давно происходит в Европе. Для этого надо уметь объединяться и действовать сообща. Мы не зря назвали себя «Родительское Всероссийское Сопротивление».


Подробности: http://www.regnum.ru/news/society/1873628.html#ixzz3L1O8mOt6
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Опубликовано 5.12.2014 15:24:37

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Альбина, спасибо, хорошая статья. На мой взгляд, есть серьёзная опасносность для российских семей. Дай Бог, чтобы хотя бы эта проблема миновала нашу Родину.
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Опубликовано 5.12.2014 17:17:47

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Мы всё больше и больше приближаемся к тоталитарному государству и очень печально
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Опубликовано 5.12.2014 18:46:14

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В Росси столько брошенных детей, детей-инвалидов никому не нужных, даже при живых родителях. Вот где надо защищать и стараться улучшить их условия. Ювенальная юстиция - это не для российских условий. Страшно думать какие могут последствия!
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Опубликовано 5.12.2014 18:50:34

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С такими законами рожать детей никто не захочет, стрмшно! Жить постоянно в страхе от того, что однажды придет какая-тотка с бейджиком и отберет твоего ребенка только потому что ты не такой торт испекла
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Я думаю, что народ может расслабиться. В России ничего подобного не будет. А если и будет, то лет через 40.
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Автор | Опубликовано 5.12.2014 20:38:24

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Альбина, спасибо, хорошая статья. На мой взгляд, есть серьёзная опасносность для российских семей.
Да, это очень важная тема. И обойти Россию это уже никак не может, потому что уже есть примеры, когда детей забирают из семьи за то, что беспорядок в квартире, смотрят какие игрушки есть, что в холодильнике.
Разговаривала с многодетной подругой (у нее 5 детей), так вот она говорит на каждого члена семьи должно быть по 3 полотенца в ванной комнате, если их нет, то это уже поводом может послужить, что за ребенком плохо смотрят. (где ей разместить в обычной ванной сразу столько полотенец... вопрос открытый).
отказ от прививок тоже может стать поводом обратить на вашу семью особое внимание.
На самом деле, это уже происходит, до введения законов, поэтому родители, естественно переживают, что будет дальше. Because не верят, что это не станет еще одной кормушкой для взяток.
Мы всё больше и больше приближаемся к тоталитарному государству и очень печально

Я считаю, что идея сама правильная. Должен быть особый контроль и помощь проблемным семьям, вот только почему-то в "проблемные семьи" поподают совсем не те кто должен бы стоять на учете.
Да и тут в Италии встречается. Например, когда моя адвокат узнала, что мы ребенка разрешили выйти в центр одной, она мне прочитала лекцию об опасности и если что-то случится ей будет сложно разрулить эту ситуацию. В другой раз контролировали почему ребенок не в школе, я взяла ее с собой на встречу, т.к. некому было ее забирать из школы. При этом куча детей -иностранцев гуляет по улице в одиночку, или гуляют братья-сестры даже с двухлетними детками. Я так полагаю, что быстрее обратят внимание на итальянскую (пусть в данном случае смешанную) семью, чем на семью , скажем, из Пакистана, где часть семьи может и нелегально находится в Италии, и еды у них может не быть и живут в антисаритарных условиях.
Также и в России. [quote="Olga_a"]столько брошенных детей, детей-инвалидов никому не нужных, даже при живых родителях.[/quote] но уже есть случаи, когда органы опеки приходят не в проблемные семьи, а потому что соседке не нравится, что вы ремонт делаете и у вас рабочие из Таджикинстана
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но уже есть случаи, когда органы опеки приходят не в проблемные семьи, а потому что соседке не нравится, что вы ремонт делаете и у вас рабочие из Таджикинстана
That's just scary. And in the days of Stalin denounced and denounced Hitler's Germany, and we all know what it's all over ...
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Posted 12/05/2014 20:58:31

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I think it's just noise. Шумиха из серии запрет на кружевные трусы или что то в этом роде. So, rock the boat, bring discontent, distorts the information, put the fear. In Russia, especially in the provinces, full of alcoholics and dysfunctional families. Забирать детей -детских домов не хватит
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Опубликовано 5.12.2014 21:06:25 Author | Posted 12/05/2014 21:06:25

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I think it's just noise. Шумиха из серии запрет на кружевные трусы или что то в этом роде.
I'm among friends fortunately no people who took the children. For many children come, yes.
They read ever those parents who take their children? Про какую лодку мы вообще говорим?
distorting information, catch up with fear.
The fear-mongering by their parents because they are afraid of losing their children.
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